Wednesday, June 4

Jobseekers be warned!!! The Cobra Group

OMG, i can't believe it. I was looking through the jobcentral site earlier, and i saw this position claiming "Sales (Leadership) Management Position" and i took a deeper look at it. When i went to the Dirad site (www.dirad.com.sg), it was a direct link to another company - (www.appcogroup.com)

That is very very weird, and i googled the company "Dirad Pte Ltd". And this is wat came out...
Job Seekers: Steer clear of the Cobra!

If you are a job seeker, and have been actively searching the net for jobs, you should have noticed a group of recruitment advertisements claiming outrageous remunerations and prospects. These companies are dodgy about who they are, what they do, or their expectations of the suitable candidate. They normally advertise as looking for “management trainees” or anything similar in that line, and utilises a “catch-all” prerequisite for the jobs. In other words, they are looking for anyone from a secondary school graduate, and all the way up to a university graduate to fill in the job.


They also offer a comprehensive on-the-job-training programme; therefore no experience on the part of the candidate is required. The salary starts from S$1800 and all the way to S$2500 during the “training period”, which spans between “6 to 8 months”. After which an increment to the S$3500 to S$5000 range is promised. Furthermore, you will also reach a point where you may get promoted to be part of the management – a managing director post, even!

Sounds too good to be true? Well, it is! The recruitment strategy briefly outlined above will be a familiar sight to all jobseekers on the web. In fact, it may seem that there are plenty of organisations out there offering similar opportunities in their various recruitment drives. To the untrained eye, these companies seems innocent enough, and each bears a different company name and even projects the impression of coming from independent business entities.

For example, by searching through the net today, I’ve managed to locate the following companies that are currently active in their recruitment: Nevaeh Pte Ltd, VisionX International Pte Ltd, and Appco (Singapore) Pte Ltd. These are just a few I’ve managed to dig up on at the moment. There should be more, so beware of others! All of them share familiar recruitment tactics.

Are they really different companies sharing similar recruitment strategies? Well, they are “independent” companies, and they may be managed by different individuals, but they do share on thing in common; they are all part of the Cobra Group PLC.

Enter the Cobra...

The Cobra Group PLC is a self-professed UK-based MNC, but the truth is far below. Cobra Group reportedly started in Manly, Australia. Apparently, they have grown so fast that they now have offices in over 20 countries and are rapidly expanding (statistics proved otherwise in Australia alone!). In truth, they are just a hybrid organisation offering services under the brand name “Human Commercials”.

Human Commercials is just another Cobra Group marketing ploy that simply means “direct marketing”. Cobra Group also shares striking resemblance to organisations such as DS-MAX, AMWAY, and many other MLM driven companies, both in their organisation structure, and sales tactics.

If that doesn’t sound an alarm yet, then find out more about what the Cobra Group does at the following resources:

Official Website of the Cobra Group:

http://www.cobragroup.com/

Wikipedia on Cobra Group:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobra_Group_(marketing)

DS-MAX (US version of Cobra Group) critical website:

http://wolfram.org/scam/ds_max/index.html

Ex-DS-MAX personnel support group:

http://groups.msn.com/DSMAXTheAftermath/msnw

Websites of Cobra Group affiliated companies in Singapore:

(I’ve listed only one local website, as most affiliates does not "yet" have an internet presence (hiding their true identities perhaps?), and only advertise on job sites about their openings without any contact information listed. However, if you dig deeper, you may find that all of them share the same office address; 9B Mosque
Street.)

VisionX International Pte Ltd:http://www.vxinternational.com/main1.html

I was so nearly taken in by how professionally they made everything sound, and the high pay quoted; when in fact you become a door to door salesman literally, with a damn low basic. What a scam!!
As i read through the comments on the post, it struck me that the address "9B Mosque Street" is very very familar... Sense of forbidding.. Damn!! They have yet more names.. I had sent a resume to Asia Pacific Promotion Group which is same!!! Good heavens... I am so not gonna go for any interviews!!!

A second link to the article..
It appears that the sister-companies are in action again, looking for gullible fresh-grads to devour. A few new companies that surfaced includes:
TML & Associates (Agency Development Officer)
Asia Pacific Promotion Group Pte Ltd (Regional Management Trainee)
JYPartnership (Marketing Development Executive/Management)
EA & Associates (Sales Associates / Recruitment Executive)
There are more...be smart, and know the game!

80 comments:

Anonymous said...

you are a very typical ex-cobra worker. they all leave feeling cheated, yet in actual fact they just didn't work or even try hard enough, and expected the money to just come to them. nobody earns hundreds per day without making sacrifices and working hard. dig deeper and you find that they are in many countries, and successful offices are opening all the time.

c[_] said...

i was ask to come for an interview with Red Planet Marketing and i'm having doubts because I read a web post about this man who complaint that he worked so hard, and he was paid nothing. Red Planet Marketing is part of the cobra group. I'm really thinking whether I should go for the interview. The guy did come back to me quickly.

Anonymous said...

Hi, thank you for this post. Please keep this up. This is the TRUTH. Anybody now reading this, KEEP AWAY FROM COBRA. Also you may get comments from Cobra people sticking up for this utter misery. Dont be fooled, STAY AWAY FROM COBRA. KEEP AWAY FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STAY WELL AWAY.

Sky said...

Hi you are Undine right. Nice to meet you and Thanks for your post, I can see that you really do alot of homework on this.
But sad to say you don't understand what is sales & markting. I had view at all the website you give. I can tell you they are just a normal outsoure sales & marketing company that fall in a some group which ops in a diff way. A way that other ppl don't wish to do. Just for your information, there is many way to make thing work. If you really understand it you will not have say all the thing in your post.
Just before I end, I will just wish to add this: Do you know how many ppl in Singapore is doing door to door sales? How much are they earning per day? Do you know How much a company have to pay to have a 300 manpower sales team which only bring back 15% profit from them in a company?
you can have all the ans in google.

In my point of view, I will say this Cobra Group is smart. They do the thing that other is not or don't want to do (door to door, face to face). This is a reson why they are standing still, strong in world.

Just one more thing to ask you, what are you working as now? How much are you earning per month? (Just keep the ans to yourself.)

If you r in sales line, I really feel that you need to do more homework on this.

All the above is just my personnal point of view. Thanks.

Sky
California Fitness
Sales & Marketing Executives

Anonymous said...

yeah it's a bitch of a job, and yeah it is possible that you work for a week and get no money, but you get told that straight off. It's a purely commission based job. some offices offer a base for the first two weeks, some dont.

Dont like it don't work there...

But if you are a good salesman, it gives you a lot of opperuntiy.

Anonymous said...

I work for a cobra group company in the UK, i started there two weeks ago and i personally know that there are good career oppertunitys within the organisation and the cobra group and i have been given the clear outlines on how to do it. It isn't easy, it will take alot of time in the shortterm and alot of sacrifice, time wise, I've already got my promotion to leader and im bringing in around £400 a week. Its hard work but if you have the right mindset (which has been clearly discussed with me) it isnt a hard job at all..! At this rate im looking for me crew leader promotion within around 6 months. That will bring a 50% increase on whatever i earn a week.. whats 50% on £400? £600.. that equates to £30,000.

Small Eyes said...

Cobra Group is very active in Malaysia too, under several names and kept changing names when their covers are blown.

They cheated fresh graduate to do direct sales (door to door), some may argue that job seekers do not understand the nature of the job and such, however do consider that, when they advertise for a post such as clerk, but end up wanting you to do direct sales, how would the condidate feel?!

I'm not saying the concept of the company itself is a cheat, who knows there are successful people on the job in UK and such, but in Malaysia, and Singapore (perhaps?), the Group has earned a bad name by putting up false recruitment advertisements to lure fresh grads into their lair....

Anonymous said...

Well, I'll tell you some thing about my story in the biz...
I'm in Holland and been here for more than 2 months..

Yes like everybody else, no time for friends, family ... No life whatsoever...
Don't even have the time to wash my clothes... And all the other normal stuff..
I was also brainwashed... just like the rest of the people...
But I found out some scary stuff..

First of all, i won tickets to New York ir Australia... 2 tickets, for 5 days, with a 5 star hotel and pocket money... Well i never got it... Not even written on a paper... And then they told us, it was only one ticket and not 2, and without pocket money... SO that's a whole lot of bullshit...

Then i found out, one of our high rollers got kicked out for fraud... The owner told us his sales were 90% fraud... But what happened to all the rest of the months? The guy had been there for almost 5 months.... And all the time before it was all good? What the fuck .... That's bullshit .... The guy even gave away sales... to people that didn't hit the target for that day .... So what happened to them ? Then their sales should be fraud too right??? NOT... Its all about the bond... The 20%..... He was a big big high roller in the company ... And he was there almost for 6 months... So he would get back alot of money ...
SO they put him up for fraud..
After i found this out... I got in contact with some other people... ANd they told me the same about their company .... So i guess, they kick people out just so they can keep the 20% ... If have also been told, the owner told the guy that he wouldn't contact the police, but that he wouldn't get his 20 % back... because he had to pay back the fraud sales....
All bullshit.... Thats what they do ... Just to keep the money ....

Today is shutdown day... And im "sick"at home.... Because i had to find out more... And reading this site and many other sites like scam.com makes me feel so stupid.. For not checking this site....

Just like most of you guys, i also have bills to pay, ... and i cant...
So i know what you mean ...

My owner was pushing me and 2 other people to become crewleaders...And now i know why ?!!! We had 30 people in the company ... and there only 10 people left ....
2 other people are leaving too ... Cause they found out the same stuff...

So for everybody who are still there ...
Be carefull... It's all just a big game that you don't wanna play ....

Take care
C.c. from Holland

Anonymous said...

COBRA IS NOT THE BEST WAY TO BE SELF-EMPLOYED

I too have a lot of experiences from Cobra and its so called Marketing companies, U.K. The truth is that they most often don't practice what they preach. The training is good if everyone sticks to it. But the people that run the companies hardly do. They just lie to you from day one, lie to you during your time there and even when you find out and leave, they keep on lying about you behind your back e.g. claiming your sales were fraud and so on. I worked with them in London, Dartford etc and I could not believe the lies that were flying around so I left. It is an experience that you would not wish on anyone but we are SURVIVORS and that is positive. TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS RUNNING YOUR OWN BUSINESS IS A FANTASTIC OPPORTUNITY BUT ITS NOT FOR EVERYONE. THOSE WHO WANT TO FOLLOW THIS ROUTE ARE BETTER OFF, TALKING TO ENTERPRISE AGENCIES IN THEIR NEIGHBOURHOOD, OR THE CHAMBERS- THEY ARE FUNDED TO ADVICE YOU AND TRAIN YOU ON ALL ASPECTS OF STARTING OR GROWING A BUSINESS AND THE AGENCIES DO THIS FOR FREE. TRY THEM OUT. I DID AND MY BUSINESS IS GROWING STRONGER. INTEGRITY IS VITAL IN BUSINESS, THE COBRA PEOPLE LACK IT, ALL THEY DO IS TALK THE WALK. soo ALL THE BEST TO YOU SURVIVORS.

SUCCESS GUARANTEED

Aditi said...

News from Pune,India- In Pune they operate under names CRESENTE ORG or CONQUERORS. Both of which have the same address.And there a CHARISMA GROUP whihc is under CObra.The cobra's got its fangs evrywher!

Anonymous said...

STAY AWAY FROM ETM MARKETING. DONT WASTE YOUR TIME.
CANT BELIEVE I FELL FOR IT AND WASTED MY TIME FOR 2 INTERVIEWS
THEY SHOULD BE PROCECUTED

Anonymous said...

ha yes....COBRA IS JUST A WASTE OF TIME....INSTEAD ONE MUST DO SOME SOCIAL WORK IN CRY OR SOMETHING....
AT LEAST IT WILL FEEL DIGNIFIED!

SOMETHING WORTH....

Anonymous said...

oh fuck!!
i went for an interview todayy @ cobra's another fang in thane-mumbai...
nd i am selected for another round tomorrow,,,
guess i dnt wnt to sting myself @ Cobra...

Journalist said...

There seems to be a bit of a split in opinion here.

After becoming involved in two interviews with two
seperate agencies under the Cobra Group I did a lttle
research and found many sites and blogs such as this.

I am actually a freelance journalist, and I am looking
to speak with anyone who has worked with the company and
their smaller agencies.

I am looking for people with good and bad experiences of
the company, and for people willing to be used in the
article.

Please contact me via this comment initially, and
we can take it from there.

I look forward to hearing from you, as soon as is possible.

Thanks for your time.

Anonymous said...

Can I just say, all those companies you mentioned, probably ARE part of the Cobra Group, hence why it's called a group >.< And the founder of the Cobra Group did originally work for DS Max, you're a moron.

Jonathan said...

I'd be interested in providing you with an interview as an ex worker 'journalist'.

Journalist said...

Hello Jonathan, thanks for your response.

You can contact me @ martinghewitt@hotmail.com

Email me and I will respond with further details.

Many thanks.

Anonymous said...

Dirad Pte Ltd is from APPCO. I am very doubtful whether is it a job scam?

Lea Vittoria said...

Hello,
personal opinion of course!

I've been working for Cobra group in Italy for almost 1 year and I still work for this company. I'm italian so forgive me if i make mistakes with english ok? :)

Part of what you say is true, part isn't, from my experience:
_it's true that it's not a job for everyone: meaning you can try, and if you REALLY wanna do this job in your life you CAN become a succesfull manager, but there's a price to pay of course. You will have a really limited social life 'cause this job takes almost all of your day, you will work really hard and will have to accept and make yours the mindset they give you. It will take time, but not as much as "classic" MC.

_It's NOT true u get paid very low. I repeat I still work here in this MC, i improved my attitude and A LOT of salesman qualities of course, but (in Italy at least) we have a guaranteed wage which is not bad and with "plus" from sales and bonus I can peacefully live in Rome on my own (if u don't know it, Rome is one of the most expensive cities in Italy).

_It's true that growth (career opportunities) is hard: not all the people u train will remain long enough to help your career, but some of them will and if u have a good leader and a good owner they will explain u this in the moment u tell them u wanna take this career opportunity. I've seen with my own eyes my leaders and crew leader become succesfull owners and i hope i can be as good as them in a short time.
Patience is what most people don't have. You cannot expect to have ALL FOR NOTHING!

_If people are smart enough they can understand the difference between brainwashing (c'mon!!!) and training to improve your sales with advices you CAN follow (and if you do, you'll see results)

_I've seen a lot of people leave this job and as an anonymous posted at the top "they all leave feeling cheated, yet in actual fact they just didn't work or even try hard enough, and expected the money to just come to them."

If you have any comment or question, please contact me, have no problem to answer! ;)

leavittoria.uva@gmail.com

Natarajaprabhu said...

Hi Jobseekers,
There are no of plenty of jobs in Bangalore. Post your resume and take

your dream job in Garden city.

gnana said...

How does it work in India? Any Ex-Workers/Employees experience plz.. I feel its just door - door direct sales. What do you say? Do they give any Management Training ASAP?? Kindly give the groud level reality. I joint with them recently.

Many Thanks,
Arjun.

Anonymous said...

OPEN YOUR MINDS!!!!

Cobra is a company that has a wide collection of very successful sister companies with highly qualified, experienced MD's. The only reason this thread got started is because you clearly couldn't sell anything in which you made no money. poor you, but don't go slating it when you don't understand it. I don't work there but my partner owns a sister company after only working there for 6 months. He earns + £150,000 a year in his first year which means i don't have to work. you can't tell me thats negative!

....OPEN YOUR MINDS!! (WORK HARD)

GP said...

To Anonymous: Hi, You should be some BDM there, leaving comments in favor of COBRA. "Dogs and Sales People" are not allowed inside the Apartments in Chennai. They brainwash the employees in the morning, and send them to BEG in the afternoon. Sad!!Parents spend a lot of money to colleges for B.Tech,MBA and so on. And these young graduates are not worried about their brain is getting wasted and dreaming off becoming BDM. Plz, DON'T JOIN WITH COBRA. I am successful in Sales,Spending 15 hrs over phone and Internet to assist my clients. I love winning their minds and hearts and bring the money in. Am not interested in Door-Door begging. Young Graduates, plz don't waste time and energy!!!! I was thr a week bringing 3-5 cheques per day. Then, joint with an IT Product Sales. So, plz plan. If you have no other options, just to support yourself, be thr for 1 month max!!

Anonymous said...

I am an ec-cobra worker.
I was Al lot of guys neck out because of the hours or because of the weather or they leave for whatever reason.

That is probebly how you guys would describe an 'ex cobra-worker'

The reason i left had nothing to do with the hours or that kind of things, i have worked in the cobra group for almost a year.
I left because they commited fraude on me with money.
They dont lie as a lot of guys claim, they dont tell a whole truth, like you dont tell an observation that you can become a vice president if you know what i mean.

The cobra group is a great structure and it provides an oppertunity for people.
And if you do it the right way you can actually make a hell of a lot of money.
To tell you guys the truth , i have made a lot of money in my days there.

But like i said,they dont tell you the whole truth, that makes them look like liars.
Im now almost done with them, they have to pay me for 2 months now and after that i can finally close the cobra chapter.

But if your looking for an oppertunity, a fun job and you dont mind working full full days,
then you should go there, but dont listen to the owner to much, you can get yourself brain washed haha.

Greetings from holland

Anonymous said...

sorry the first alinea of my comment necked out a bit i see now haha.

i will typ it again,

I am an ex-cobra worker.
I was at almost opening my own office, (assistant manager)
so as you can see there is a lot true about what they promiss new guys.

Anonymous said...

What a crap your writhing about The Cobra Group.To be clear, it's a cooperation.That means that everyone is working for his own and that everyone is leading his own business.But we work together as one what makes us on international level stronger.You can compare it with the Rabobank.That's a Dutch international bank.What Nokia is for mobile phones that's what the Cobra Group is for marketing, the number one.And if you cant handle that go and find yourself a life, but don't try to bother people that are hard working business-man.I reed something about somebody that makes no money but worked hard hahahaha stop with that nonsense.We work on commission, so if you don't work hard you don't get pay'd well that is logic if you're working for you're one.Probably that person makes the hour's but put no effort in it.

GP said...

To be clear and make it simple, The Cobra Group is making young graduates as "STREET BEGGARS". Thats all. No more arguments on it.

FROM SINGAPORE said...

put it simply,

if you want to be self-employed, be a real estate agent or a car sales person

this cobra is crap. period. the positive comments are probably coming from 'owners'.

come on, if it is a dignified company, it wouldn't need to register so many companies under so many different names right?

do you see nokia and microsoft doing that?

owners, this is not a place for you to clean your names, neither is it a place for you to continue brainwashing people.

quit the "you don't work hard, you aint gonna gain anything". i mean who doesn't know that yeah? it isnt an overnight thingy to get its name flamed, im very sure the victims are not as naive as you think they are, mr owners.

to date i have already received FOUR calls to get me down for an interview under different company names but SIMILAR ADDRESS.

GP said...

plz dont attend the interview. waste of time. they will tell that they are four owners looking for places. If Singapore is a big place like india to beg, they will have 8 companies with the same ADDRESS.

Anonymous said...

gosh i know exactly what you guys feel! i was recently conned as well! good thing i didnt accept the job yet and came across this! i think the group literally uses sales tactics on people to scam them!

1. getting past 2 interviews makes one feel very special and important
2. the amount of information about the company and pay structure that they throw at you gives you the confidence in them and their trustworthiness
3. the level of training that they provide sounds enticing.
4. NO EXPERIENCE REQUIRED.


well i cannot say much because i have not worked there yet. but i am a fresh grad and i got enticed by the no experience tag, like many of the others in this post. sigh. people should DO THEIR HOMEWORK ON THE FIRM'S DIRTY WORK before they sign on the dotted line!!!

Anonymous said...

I worked for one of the MCs in London as an admin, and its not just terrible for the Sales guys, its terrible for the admins as well. The stuff they train you to say on the phone when calling someone up for an imterview,What a load of bull!

The structure is not entirely bad, and it requires a mega amount of slavery...(I know some pro-cobra peeps will disagree, but i don't give a rat's backside)

The owners are usually full of HOT AIR, and the language (Don't get me started). The owners think that by swearing, they can motivate the sales guys, well maybe, but if u hire an administrator, Speak to them professionally.

You get owners that trash their admins, make them work beyond their time, turn them into their Personal helps.....admin, payroll, office manager, recruiter, PA to MD, whn he/she's travelling they "kindly" ask you to come help them pack, confirm their flight, grab their lunch, go meet their parents whn they come to town...the list is endless. These are all the work of an admin???

Too much to tell....

Anonymous said...

Thank you very much for this post! So not going for the intervew. :D

GP said...

Ha Ha :). Good to see you friends share your experience without any shy. Let us not allow our juniors or colleagues to be suffered. Myself, came out, joint with a software company which is into cloud computing, doing well.

Anonymous said...

Thx guys for posting your comments !
Thx to you I will not waste my time by going for an interview !!
Regards

Anonymous said...

As an ex 'independent contractor' working for Cobra in one of its branches in Sydney I can say with my hand over my heart that it's a scam. I worked myself into the ground for 6 months. I feel like a complete IDIOT for staying in that job for so long but I was 18 and just moved out of home and took any job I could get. Plus they make out like you will be rolling in cash.

The working conditions are a joke: Commission only, NO hourly rate, NO overtime Plus you end up working super long hours if you don't make enough sales.. I worked over 75 hours a week Monday to Sunday.

I was sent to work in malls in poorer suburbs like Auburn and register people for charity. I was chastised for not making enough sales when the people I was approaching were refugees (many non-english speaking) with little money to support themselves. Of course telling this to my team leader and 'owner' meant absolutely nothing and according to them I wasn't applying my sales knowledge properly.

The training is ridiculous. It's all a bunch of acronyms coupled with someone telling you to make eye contact and be confident. If you don't make sales they just say you must not be doing something right from the acronym they taught you.

When we worked in malls we had a booth with chairs but were not encouraged to sit in the chairs.. if my 'owner’ dropped in to see how we were going and caught me sitting down I'd be in trouble.. spending 9 + hours a day standing has actually caused permanent damage to my knees and feet. Oh and 'street pitching' is a joke, you march up and down the street trying to sign people up to charities while getting told to fuck off. If you are a woman you cop it from creeps too.

More often than not I was utterly exhausted from the ridiculous hours I was working so my team leader used to give me cold and flu tablets with pseudoephedrine in them so I'd have enough energy to make it through the day. Who the fuck does that? Of course I could have said no thank you but I felt the axe hanging over my head and was constantly scared of being fired or asked to leave. There is a high staff turn over - either people don't like the job and quit or you don't make enough sales and get fired. If your team leader / owner doesn't like you it becomes difficult to succeed. Seeing people come and go on a regular basis doesn’t make you feel like you have stable a foundation at all. In hindsight I wish I'd just been fired.

I was friends with my 'owners' younger sister and when her sister's sales dropped I was called into my owner’s office which had clear glass windows and everyone got to hear and see as she started screaming and yelling at me saying to stay the fuck away from her sister and to stop texting one another because it was making her sister’s sales drop. I have no idea how or why she made that connection - I didn't even have her sisters phone number and I certainly didn't know how I was making her sales drop. We never worked together out in malls or street pitching. It was shortly after this that my employment with them was ended.

A percentage of your commission is kept by your 'owner' and you can ask for some of it when you need it, and if you ever leave the job they release the money to you. I never got a cent of that money.

I’ve had some bad jobs in my time but nothing compares to working for cobra. It was hands down the worst job I’ve ever had.

current worker (red planet) said...

I worked for them too! they are very dodgey, if anyone is going to an interview you should ask them direct questions about the job..you will see that most of the things said on this site is true! of course when you look at it they are smart as they know that you are not getting a basic and 20% of all you earn is kept at least for 3 months. be very careful as these companies are hard to track, people are being promoted and so create new names all under the same umbrella of cobra group!!

If you are good at sales then you should try it but be prepared that as there is no basic and you have an off week then you dont earn anything. theres no guarantee that you will get paid every week! even if you think you are very good at sales, im sure anyone who has worked for them will agree it depends on which "event" they send you. and as mentioned before the amount of people that come and go it doesn't create a good atmosphere.

Be smart. Aim much higher.

kenny said...

Same as last poster, "worked" for Red Planet Marketing out of Kentish Town for 3 weeks, 70+ hours a week for £33.

It all seemed genuine: the observational day (read unpaid) where you had to pay for your own travel; the bullshit morning meetings with Mars Cowley right through to two former owners Jonathan the Corsican and Stuart Franks (who uses the stupid term "negged out"). My only saving grace from their brainwashing was not getting a reference from a previous employer, which meant I couldn't continue "working".

The only people I feel sorry for was my Scouse leader who believed in their "one day you'll be manager" speech, and a fellow FR from America. Both were good guys who were taken in, just like me by their bullshit.

The people I don't feel sorry for were the so-called 19-year old "high-roller" supposedly earning £1000 a month, eating McDonald's, which doesn't quite fit.

Also don't feel sorry for one female leader, a real ugly personality if I ever saw one: a real aggressive bully.

Thak GOD He intervened before any serious mental damage was done.

Avoid Red Planet Marketing and Cobra like the plague.

Saneth said...

hey great post.. the COBRA group has started spreading in India as well, its got offices in Pune n Mumbai as far as i've heard. In pune they're under the names Zellyons and Cresente.

They offered me a position of a Managing Director and said they'd train me. Apparently, a managing director "needs to know how the customer thinks!" so the training consisted of direct door-to-door sales. They put up adds calling MBA's and Engineers, guess what they wanted me to do... SELL SIM CARDS for 4 months, then teach other trainees how to teach other trainees for another 4 months, and who knows what after that.

Also, the job is performance based, so you aint gettin' paid if u don' make sales. So stay away from COBRA and any of its sister companies.

matt said...

I worked for a company called the Mem corporation back in the nineties. They were based in Tuffnel park. My advice steer clear of the bullshit. There is a reason why the have a high turn over and staff seem to go on a regular basis although I would say it gave me a good start in sales as it helped build my confidence two weeks was enough for me.

Anonymous said...

hey undine i have been in amway, DW and healthwise before. I was before a executive manager in these three company before trust me multi level marketing are a bad for business. They might say that you will earn alot and live like a rockstar. Actually if it really happens in every nation might be rich by investing for their product and become one of their partner more likely their base. Here what happens things for them to get going is by recruiting two or three candidate and have to invest amount of money which not that cheap and as a back up they be giving a sales product so they could also make the company earn much more. Seriously you are making the company earn much more than you or I might say you really more from what you for. This people always bait their prospect by their luxury assets which sometimes whatever they claim they own a car but actually that wasn't theirs. So the results is better be in well known company and a firm that is well known to all population such as sony, panasonic, honda, yamaha, etc. Another safer method is to ask them if they provide basic and also ask them for their contract and check whether their contract is stated about the basic salary which is promise. Btw to the executive sales manager of california fitness you people are sucks. The biggest liar of all sales dept.

Anonymous said...

Ever since i left cobra only due to family reasons, I have high rolled every sales company i have taken since cars , caravans , Retail which is kinda a joke really. I sub contract as A Exposition salesperson doesnt matter what the product or how much notice i get is or how much people talk about these 20 year vets in the biz same product I come in and leave them in my dust trails i always get the bonus i always make the money , The training if u actually understand it is the best in the buisness You are offered an oppurtunity and got negative took short cuts trying to make a buck the sales doesnt stop at the customers in any buisness it works up the chain of command also,You should be on your boss all the time for money high roll and it comes or just be a better people person maybe u just stink who knows :P sorry about punctuation i dont do data entry.
If anyone from Perth Australia needs to be shown how its done give me a yell.

Anonymous said...

I think one of the most shocking things about all this is that many of the so-called marketers and sales types don't seem to care about spelling, punctuation, or grammar.

#unprofessional.

Anonymous said...

The guy just wrote seems never understand to write a sentence. Anyway, i came across to apply for this company in Singapore under the name Sirius marketing in Shaw tower. You will undergo an interview after filling out their form. Just curious enough there are few names or logo on their office with Appco and Redwood although the job posted under Sirius company. After the initial interview they ask u to go for 2nd round of interview this time u allot 7hrs of ur time. I went for this so called 2nd interview and after 30mins from this director he will attach u to ur mentor and watch their sales meeting. All the guys wearing formal offc clothes and u can pull out coats hanging there and u will look like executive. Cheering with this so called " Juicey" words every now and then. After that u will be deployed to ur location in groups , and I joined the WWF foundation to ask for donation in a door to door basis. Although its quite fun i guess but u will do it in a long hours to get maybe 1 or 2 in day if ur lucky. I ask my mentor how long needs to work and said up to 10pm and after that u will goin to meet up to assess the day. Meaning u maybe coming home at 11 or 12mn if u will be deployed farther from ur place. I did not came back after the 2nd interview and OJT. But lo and behold, i was got sucked up again after applying online under different comp name , this time called Liger pte ltd. Once i apply online i got a call within 1 hr and ask me to go for interview on the same day, but begged off for the foll day. So early in the morning i report on this company in MND complex but surprise to see a different company name on their offc logo. I did not waste more time and ask the interviewer if this s the same as sirius and she said same group. I said i've been to this so called 2nd interview and dont want to be part of it. Less than 5mins i was walking not to waste my time further. Anyone came across on this mgmt trainee etc. dont waste ur precious time unless u want to be like an investigative reporter and understand it from inside out. You've been warned!!!

Anonymous said...

Cobra Group, where do i start?
Well, like many of you have mentioned, they target you with misleading job advertisements because they know that no one in their right mind would go for a fully commission based job that is door to door. I went for an interview with a Melbourne based Cobra branch titled BDH corp. Their job description was vague and emphasized a marketing based job as apposed to a sales job. Anyhow, before I knew it I was marched out for an on job training day where I watched my team leader perform door to door sales. I was unlucky because my team leader was actually quite good at his job and pulled quite a few sales that day. Inspired by his success and smooth talking, I committed to the job.
So from the time that the day starts you know that the job is shit. But the company has created a culture to almost brainwash its employees. They have ridicules strategies to make you think that you are doing well, like you ring a bell if you make $150 or bang a dong if you make $200. I rang the bell a few times but rarely banged the gong, but looking at it now. You are in the field for about eight hours and in the office for at least three. Even if you bang the gong that equates to $18 an hour. I wouldn't get out of bed for that these days.
So you work out that door to door is shit, and your not getting financially reimbursed for your heartache. Than they start working the long term scheme. So here's how it works, you work under your team leader until you start recruiting your own guys. At his point you are a leader. Once you get three guys underneath you than you advance to team leader. Get three team leaders going and you are an owner and can open your own branch. So this sounds all good and easy but what no one tells is that everyone quits. Everyone quickly finds out that hassling and manipulating people for money is a dishonest and disgusting way to make a living. So you are basing your "business" on a bunch of drop kick employees who have only the incentive of promised fortunes to stick around. That brings me to my next point, they hire anyone!!
Seeing as you have no super, no base salary, no redundancy, no sick leave, no holiday pay. Basically you are a sub-contractor on minimum wage. So if someone is employed by Cobra they have no overheads for that individual. This leads the company to recruit as many people as possible, because they can only make money from someone not lose it. Thereby you have drunks, useless idiots, lazy people who can barely string a resume together and the most common arrogant cock heads who dropped out of high school and think that their ability to be a ruthless arsehole will make them a success. The scarey thing is that Cobra actually promote this culture and it makes me sick. This is the type of loser you see on the youtube Cobra videos wearing suits that they can't afford resembling that of a faked tanned Amway advocate.
I left Cobra after about six months. I realized the money was shit, my owner was the laziest thieving prick and my team leader bashed his girlfriend. False promises and low life people are what you will find at Cobra. You also have to pay a bond when you are employed by these dickheads and if you pay it and leave, you will never see it again.
The only satisfaction I got from working for Cobra was driving past BDH corp and seeing that they had closed down, although it was bitter sweet because I didn't get a chance to get my bond back let alone throw a brick through their window.
My warning is so stay away from shifty pricks promoting this kind of business. If you want to work in sales there is plenty of good jobs out there. Just make sure you are actually employed by the company and if anyone asks you for a bond, tell them to go fuck themselves.

Anonymous said...

Cobra Group, where do i start?
Well, like many of you have mentioned, they target you with misleading job advertisements because they know that no one in their right mind would go for a fully commission based job that is door to door. I went for an interview with a Melbourne based Cobra branch titled BDH corp. Their job description was vague and emphasized a marketing based job as apposed to a sales job. Anyhow, before I knew it I was marched out for an on job training day where I watched my team leader perform door to door sales. I was unlucky because my team leader was actually quite good at his job and pulled quite a few sales that day. Inspired by his success and smooth talking, I committed to the job.
So from the time that the day starts you know that the job is shit. But the company has created a culture to almost brainwash its employees. They have ridicules strategies to make you think that you are doing well, like you ring a bell if you make $150 or bang a dong if you make $200. I rang the bell a few times but rarely banged the gong, but looking at it now. You are in the field for about eight hours and in the office for at least three. Even if you bang the gong that equates to $18 an hour. I wouldn't get out of bed for that these days.
So you work out that door to door is shit, and your not getting financially reimbursed for your heartache. Than they start working the long term scheme. So here's how it works, you work under your team leader until you start recruiting your own guys. At his point you are a leader. Once you get three guys underneath you than you advance to team leader. Get three team leaders going and you are an owner and can open your own branch. So this sounds all good and easy but what no one tells is that everyone quits. Everyone quickly finds out that hassling and manipulating people for money is a dishonest and disgusting way to make a living. So you are basing your "business" on a bunch of drop kick employees who have only the incentive of promised fortunes to stick around. That brings me to my next point, they hire anyone!!
Seeing as you have no super, no base salary, no redundancy, no sick leave, no holiday pay. Basically you are a sub-contractor on minimum wage. So if someone is employed by Cobra they have no overheads for that individual. This leads the company to recruit as many people as possible, because they can only make money from someone not lose it. Thereby you have drunks, useless idiots, lazy people who can barely string a resume together and the most common arrogant cock heads who dropped out of high school and think that their ability to be a ruthless arsehole will make them a success. The scarey thing is that Cobra actually promote this culture and it makes me sick. This is the type of loser you see on the youtube Cobra videos wearing suits that they can't afford resembling that of a faked tanned Amway advocate.
I left Cobra after about six months. I realized the money was shit, my owner was the laziest thieving prick and my team leader bashed his girlfriend. False promises and low life people are what you will find at Cobra. You also have to pay a bond when you are employed by these dickheads and if you pay it and leave, you will never see it again.
The only satisfaction I got from working for Cobra was driving past BDH corp and seeing that they had closed down, although it was bitter sweet because I didn't get a chance to get my bond back let alone throw a brick through their window.
My warning is so stay away from shifty pricks promoting this kind of business. If you want to work in sales there is plenty of good jobs out there. Just make sure you are actually employed by the company and if anyone asks you for a bond, tell them to go fuck themselves.

Anonymous said...

Cobra Group, where do i start?
Well, like many of you have mentioned, they target you with misleading job advertisements because they know that no one in their right mind would go for a fully commission based job that is door to door. I went for an interview with a Melbourne based Cobra branch titled BDH corp. Their job description was vague and emphasized a marketing based job as apposed to a sales job. Anyhow, before I knew it I was marched out for an on job training day where I watched my team leader perform door to door sales. I was unlucky because my team leader was actually quite good at his job and pulled quite a few sales that day. Inspired by his success and smooth talking, I committed to the job.
So from the time that the day starts you know that the job is shit. But the company has created a culture to almost brainwash its employees. They have ridicules strategies to make you think that you are doing well, like you ring a bell if you make $150 or bang a dong if you make $200. I rang the bell a few times but rarely banged the gong, but looking at it now. You are in the field for about eight hours and in the office for at least three. Even if you bang the gong that equates to $18 an hour. I wouldn't get out of bed for that these days.
So you work out that door to door is shit, and your not getting financially reimbursed for your heartache. Than they start working the long term scheme. So here's how it works, you work under your team leader until you start recruiting your own guys. At his point you are a leader. Once you get three guys underneath you than you advance to team leader. Get three team leaders going and you are an owner and can open your own branch. So this sounds all good and easy but what no one tells is that everyone quits. Everyone quickly finds out that hassling and manipulating people for money is a dishonest and disgusting way to make a living. So you are basing your "business" on a bunch of drop kick employees who have only the incentive of promised fortunes to stick around. That brings me to my next point, they hire anyone!!
Seeing as you have no super, no base salary, no redundancy, no sick leave, no holiday pay. Basically you are a sub-contractor on minimum wage. So if someone is employed by Cobra they have no overheads for that individual. This leads the company to recruit as many people as possible, because they can only make money from someone not lose it. Thereby you have drunks, useless idiots, lazy people who can barely string a resume together and the most common arrogant cock heads who dropped out of high school and think that their ability to be a ruthless arsehole will make them a success. The scarey thing is that Cobra actually promote this culture and it makes me sick. This is the type of loser you see on the youtube Cobra videos wearing suits that they can't afford resembling that of a faked tanned Amway advocate.
I left Cobra after about six months. I realized the money was shit, my owner was the laziest thieving prick and my team leader bashed his girlfriend. False promises and low life people are what you will find at Cobra. You also have to pay a bond when you are employed by these dickheads and if you pay it and leave, you will never see it again.
The only satisfaction I got from working for Cobra was driving past BDH corp and seeing that they had closed down, although it was bitter sweet because I didn't get a chance to get my bond back let alone throw a brick through their window.
My warning is so stay away from shifty pricks promoting this kind of business. If you want to work in sales there is plenty of good jobs out there. Just make sure you are actually employed by the company and if anyone asks you for a bond, tell them to go fuck themselves.

Anonymous said...

Fairway Advertising Ltd.

Fairway Advertising Ltd. said...

Fairway Advertising Ltd. is an Appco/Cobra scam too.

doortodoortruth said...

The company that I was involved with, Global Net, has changed their name to ‘Kreative Client Solutions’. They are still associated with the same company: Blue Ocean Outsource Ltd. Company Reg no: 08437993, and trade under the address: Kreative Client Solutions, Angel House, 3rd Floor, 225 Marsh Wall, South Quay, London, E14 9FW
Avoid them!
Here's a list of other companies to avoid: http://doortodoortruth.wordpress.com/companies/

Anonymous said...

The Cobra Group AKA Appco group is just one tentacle of the global direct sales cult known to some as Devilcorp.

The BBC, The Mirror, The Daily/Sunday Telegraph and the New Zealand Herald have written numerous articles about this organization. They are about to be investigated by the Office of Liquor, Gaming and Racing in N.S.W..

If you go to thedevilcorp.wordpress.com you will find a plethora of links to new reports, government rulings, lawsuits and video footage showing how these people do business

thedevilcorp said...

If you go to http://thedevilcorp.wordpress.com/, you will find plenty of info.

anothermarianmule said...

You are a typical ex-cobra employee. You got out and decided to expose them. Thank you.

smartcircledirectv said...

Great post.

Anonymous said...

hi, i came across this 2 company:
Catalyst Marketing Solutions and
Sirius Marketing.
Apparently this 2 companies are sisters and belongs to Appco, but I am a little skeptical about their functions, and are they MLM?

Anyone can share their experiences or opinions, please.. Thank you.

Faith said...

I am interested to know more about Sirius Marketing too..

Mika said...

Omfg, is it true? I jus went for the interview and tomorrow I have to attend work @9am. Singapore. Btw is Cobra also known as Appco?? Omg what have I got myself into.

anthony malaga said...

This one might be worth a look. http://entryleveljobscam.blogspot.com/

Tze Wei Toh said...

Mika, did U report for work in the end?
How did it works out?

Does the job pays well or at least the commission pays enough and products/ targets are sellable?

Anonymous said...

Tze Wei Toh, I did not dare step foot there again! All I know is that you really have to stand under the sun or outdoor selling like discount coupons or something else. It's every hard to be successful and they don't even care if u had education or not. All they need from u is TALKING SMART. They clam it's easy to sell but I doubt so.
Thanks to this blogger my eyes are more vigilant on the jobs I apply.

-Mika

Anonymous said...

Hi anyone could share their experiences with Sirius Marketing? I'm called to have an interview with them, however I'm quite skeptical about this organization and I'm needing any one's feedback. Thanks!

Anonymous said...

I got their number too. It's 65324388.

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Anonymous said...

I worked at Appco/Cobra for almost 5 years. I have no love for the company, but this isn't a scam as so many disgruntled former marketing company contractors would have you believe. Its a tough job, and entirely commission based. It certainly isn't for everyone, but you are told upfront how it works. There are incentives to work hard to make more money, and they don't make any money if you don't make any money, nor do they charge you to sell their products.They train you for the job because it is in their interests to do so. They also have no vested interest in deceiving you, as it profits nobody to not make sales. If you just want a salary job with benefits, then don't apply for this job. If you are a gifted salesman then it might be the job for you. If you're not then you are probably wasting your time there. Feel free to hate the job or the pay, but don't pretend to be deceived once you have signed up.

Anonymous said...

Well Just to update on 2 company names that may be related to these scam companies:

Dirac Pte Ltd
SMV Marketing Group

Both share same address:

120 ROBINSON ROAD #07-01 SINGAPORE 068913

Would a proper functioning company need to have 2 names registered at same address?

Anonymous said...

Other office locations for Dirad listed on websites:

100 Beach Road, #25-11 Shaw Tower Singapore 189702

Paya Lebar Square#07-29 Singapore 409051


A fast expanding company that keep changing address?

Anonymous said...


MindChamps have sales posts where you need to pay thousands of dollars to set-up & no income without any sale. You get a little training & opportunity to sell at talks by leader at their venue. External places selling need to be paid from your pocket.Sales quota needed to maintain job or you will be kicked out.

Only plus point is MindChamps has a well-known brand name.

Anonymous said...

They had change their company name to Catalyst marketing, BE CAREFUL people

Anonymous said...

You are wrong! They changed their name to Forte Organisation.

I'm skeptical about their scams.

Anonymous said...

There is a similar organisation
Salient Organisation Pte Ltd
Forte Organisation
Sirius Star Marketing.
Trillant Organisation

really suspicious about this 4

Tony M. said...

Good post.

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Bork Bork said...

I just finished the first interview today, got called back for the second interview tomorrow. Now I'm really considering If I should bother tomorrow or not... I applied for Sirius Marketing under Catalyst and they told me that the interview tomorrow would likely take 2-3 hours because there's some sort of evaluation or something of the sort.

Anonymous said...

Please take note of these companies, they are all under same arm:-

Absolute Organisation
Alliance Organisation
Ascentia Group Marketing
Destiny Organisation
Eaglesview Marketing Group
Eden Cube Marketing Group
Evolve Organisation
Forte Organisation
GM Acquisition
GM Acquisition
Infinite Malaysia
Liger Organisation
MBM Organisation
Trilliant Organisation
Vision Organisation
Vieworks Organisation
Zeal Organisation
The Angels

Anonymous said...

Guys and girls? Request. List out also where and which countries said companies are locates so these scammers fool no one.

Anonymous said...

Came across this blog before I went for interview with one of the affiliars. Take note: These companies are also in Singapore.

Titans Marketing Group
SMV Marketing Group
Dirac Pte Ltd

There are several more, but I forgot. All of them have the same location: Paya Lebar Square, #07-29.

Jess said...

Hi, Jess from Chamberlains Law Firm here.

I just wanted to comment and let you all know about a class action that we are currently running against Appco Group Australia. I know you are based in the UK, but I thought it still might be of interest, and maybe some of your readers have experiences with Appco Groups in Australia.

We are bringing an action against Appco in Federal court alleging that they have engaged in Sham Contracting and have misclassed employees as 'independent contractors', underpaying them wages and benefits.

We currently have over 1,000 claimants who worked all levels of the Appco structure-- from Independent Contractors right up to Managing Directors. All of them have joined the Appco Class action to get the entitlements they deserve.

If you worked for Appco, you are very likely entitled to compensation, and I'd encourage you to learn more about our class action and get involved. Signing up only takes a moment of your time, and your upfront legal costs are covered by a litigation funder, so you won't ever pay legal costs out of pocket. We have some claimants who want their story told and are interested in media opportunities and the litigation process, and others who, after signing up, want to play a quieter role. Either way, get involved!

You are always entitled to a safe working environment and minimum wage!

You can learn more at appcoclassaction.com.au or ring us at 1300 945 563.

Anonymous said...

Eureka Organization (Singapore)
Location: Paya Lebar Square, #07-29

Did not work with any Appco subsidiary, but went for interview. Did research that had me realizing I was better off not involving myself with them.

Hell, how in Jesus's tickled bones did these guys get into Singapore?

Anonymous said...

Found another one called H.I.P. Enterprise Pte Ltd. Operating in the same location as Forte Organisation. 31 Boon Tat Street Singapore

Anonymous said...

HI... anyone work with Sirius Marketing Charity Fundraiser before? Saw the job and want to hear honest working experience from person.